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the fiscal cliff. >> if you read though, the boehner proposal carefully, no tax rate increases, which we know is a nonstarter for the president. so where does that leave us? john avlon is here to help us read through the lines of the deal, also crunch some of those numbers. first, we're talking about the $800 billion figure. that's in the letter that john boehner wrote to the president. break that down for us. >> that's right. there is no numbers breaking that down. it's a where's the beef question. bumper sticker, we have the numbers but no details. boehner's aides will say that's where the negotiations come in. the devil's in the details. they'll say look, to achieve these revenue increases by closing deductions and loopholes. in the letter boehner sent, he says they may be able to lower some rates based on comments made by erskine bowles. >> i think for folks especially we're left to wonder. some analysis shows it's possible. >> i think for folks especially the middle class, they're trying to figure out the math. those deductions and loopholes, do they actually dig into the middle class? >
demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. it's only 2%. >> reporter: republicans insist they can get the revenue from reforming the tax code without increasing tax rates. >> the revenues put on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. >> reporter: but the president says that won't work. >> it is not possible for us to raise the apartment
. the president yesterday on the fiscal cliff. >> obama: let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2% that includes all of you guests but not in anyway that is going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see a single dime of tax increases next year and by doing that alone we raise almost a trillion dollars. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: associated press says the white house is signalling president obama is willing to let the country go over the cliff. this is a choice of the republican party if they are willing to do higher rates on the country, there is a lot to talk about, if they are not, they will push us over the cliff. tim geithner said there is no prospect in an agreement that doesn't include the tax rate going up on the top 2% of americans. he said we are not prepared to have the american economy held hostage to periodic threats. >> there you go. >> stephanie: and he point
was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cenk: what's your reaction. >> slightly flabbergasted because this is not how the president has worked before. he ran with a grassroots in 2008. we tried to recreate that, talked about the ground game in the campaign in 2012. he's taking a grassroots campaign to politics, which is what progressives have been begging him to do now for a while. it seems to be working. all the hash tags and all the my 2 k has tags has gotten up to 13,000 tweets per hour. not every one of them is, hey great idea, mr. president. a lot of them are coming from people who are conservatives saying whatever it is that they're saying. the point is he's in touch with the people. he's not living in a cocoon like he
in the fiscal cliff debate. tax rates spike and spending slashed. congress is breaking for the holidays in two weeks. it could send the economy spinning in directions. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he will travel to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to
that if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff californians will beat out new yorkers for the potential highest tax rate at 52%. >>> forbes is out with its 2012 most powerful people lest. president obama held onto the top spot for the second straight year. the pope climbed two notches from last year and landed in fifth place. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg tumbled from the top ten all the way to number 25. former president bill clinton held on to last year's ranking at number 50. tonight on rock center watch brian williams sit down with apple ceo, tim cook, number 35 on the forbes list by the way. >>> finally, this is no joke. though it began as one on facebook, pizza hut in canada has sent more than 100 bottles of pizza scented perfume to facebook fans. the fragrance boasts top notes of freshly baked hand tossed dough. pepper reason ri? >> new york mayor cory booker lives on food stamps. >>> the nfl steps up with $1 million for jovan belcher's daughter. >>> high res images from space. it allows images of city lights, gas flares, aur rar ras, to be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news acros
combination of tax rate increases and spending cuts now known as the fiscal cliff. >> jon: oh, yeah, that, that was-- (laughter) ladies and gentlemen, the fiscal-- cliff. >> it's the subject of tonight's cliffpocalypsema get-- mageddonocaust, our nation's solvable budget problem. (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> jon: i actually hurt my shoulder just there. it's like i'm 50. so we're now just a little more than a month away from going over the fiscal cliff which is, of course, as we all, what is the fiscal cliff again? >> a toxic combination of spending cuts and tax increases that kicks in at the beginning of next year. >> on january 1s its bush tax cuts will eck prior within the alternative minimum continuation would quick in, hiking taxes for more than half married couples with two children. the payroll tax cut was also expire. >> emergency unemployment benefits end, and 984 billion dollars in the automatic cuts in both defense and domestic budgets are triggered. >> it very likely that we're all going die. >> jon: why did they put that last provision in. see, here is what happened. tw
: for sure. and, of course we know that once they go over the fiscal cliff and those that -- that cap cal gains rate goes back to the clinton era it will be a 20% rate anyway. one way or another it's going to up. that's all i am saying. nancy took cook, thank you so much from the national journal thank you for join is us inside the war room. coming up, the car room is is not in the prediction business but we hear there is good money in it. so we are going to jump in. our best guess on how this negotiation will play out right after the break. plus what would thomas jefferson do with the fiscal cliff? funny you should and s author john meechum's new biography on the founder father sheds new light on the man and his method and he, john meechum will join us in the war room. and later mitt romney finally got into the white house don't worry, though it was just for a bowl of chili. it's thursday night and we are just getting started stick around. >> jennifer: welcome back inside "the war room." i am jennifer granholm. so th
a fiscal cliff. at that rate, talks are going slow. the u.s. seems poised to go over the edge. wendell goler live at the white house. okay, does everyone have like the calendar in front of them realizing what the date actually is? >> it's a high stakes poker game. each side waiting for the other to show its cards. the white house demanding republicans say how much they're willing to raise taxes and republicans demanding the white house list the spending cuts. democrats are willing to accept. there is, as you say, less than month before the deadline and realistically, there may be less time than that given the need for congress to actually write legislation. house speaker john boehner said on fox news sunday, right now they've got nothing to start with. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> the president campaigned on
thing if there when of the fiscal cliff. it is a disaster. the rating agencies said they would downgrade credit. and the people are not going to be. >> the last time i recall a downgrade the result was a rally in the bond market and about a ten. move over the short term in the equities market. >> yes. lou: so was talking with a fellow the other night, measure of success in his career making decisions on equities and companies. he says he thinks the fiscal cliff is so overstated as to be insured. >> without a question in the minority of those i know. >> on the tax side of it is overstated. there is no question. a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched,
to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may re newsto raise the country's debt ceiling to get their way on spending cuts and risk defaulting on the country's loans. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperorer. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes, not by raising rates on the rich as the president has insisted. >> we're not insisting rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't just keep borrowing money, raising taxes, and expecting the problem to go away. >> reporter: house
not agree to some higher tax rates for the wealthy, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff, and the american people will hold them responsible. democrats also take issue with the proposal's spending cuts to medicare and social security. republican counter that tough cuts are needed to tackle the soaring debt, leaving washington locked in a stalemate, less than a month before every american sees their taxes shoot up. the gridlock has irritated people outside washington, like deborah page of arlington, texas. >> if i was working the way the president and congress was working, i would probably lose my job. >> reporter: page started a petition that would cease paychecks and health benefits for all members of congress and president obama if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff. the petition's chances are slim. but it's a reflection of americans' frustration with 28 days left. rob and paula? >> tahman bradley live in washington today. thank you, tahman. >>> and as talks over the fiscal cliff drag on, a new poll finds that most americans do not think very highly of congress. one in t
cliff. >> the president is demanding higher tax rates. congressional republicans want deeper spending cuts and entitlement reform. will they make a deal before we bring in the new year with a round of tax increases for all of us? we will ask the two men at the center of the negotiations where we really stand. for the president, treasury secretary timothy geithner. for the gop house speaker john boehner. geithner and boehner only on fox news sunday. plus, we've seen this movie before. the two parties edging closer and closer to the brink. we will ask our sunday panel whether we will get a happy ending or an economic disaster. and our power player of the week. a young beauty queen has to make a tough choice. all right now on fox news sunday. >> hello again from fox news in washington. well, we had quite a day around here friday with talks to avoid the fiscal cliff deadlock, and everyone saying the other side is to blame, pressure secretary geithner scheduled a ground of interviews. then friday afternoon, speaker boehner's office called to say he wanted to come on fox news sunday to tell
the threat of the fiscal cliff is already hurting our economy. and, i believe raising tax rates hurts our economy and the prospects for more jobs in our country and the president may disagree but the fact is if there is another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, why wouldn't we consider it? >> chris: what if we go over the cliff? doesn't thethe cards, then? can he say, all right, everybody's taxes increased and i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year, you are the party of lower taxes, are you going to refuse to cut people's taxes? >> listen, nobody wants to go over the cliff. that is why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. and it is unfortunate that the white house spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> chris: you have been around this time, a long time and have been through a lot of negotiations. what is their game? what is their thinking as to how they will work -- well, they figure they won and they will get what they want? >> i have no idea, chris. if i kn
's just silly now. you've got to be for a tax rate increase or we will go over this fiscal cliff. >> no, you don't. you could raise from a carbon tax of $20 a ton, which will deal with, we are having the biggest record carbon levels. you could raise -- at 4% a year over the next ten year, twice as much as you could from allowing the bush tax rates to lapse. why the income tax system is overburdened in the united states. we use it too much. we should be looking at other taxes. we can't do it in 29 days. why are we doing it in 29 days? >> but the president ran on raises taxes, right? if you look at the polls. 60% of people support raising taxes on people who make over $250,000 a year. how much of a problem is it, david, if the republicans you know, tom coburn said he does not want to raise that tax number. >> the president ran on his first term on opposing a health care mandate. presidents change their minds. the idea that you would do a revenue measure with an eye to basically doing something punitive, when there are much more important policy goals you can achieve and when it's not goin
to accept just rates, they do not want to go off the fiscal cliff, they think they will be blamed. neil: do you get the feeling that i do, this is kabuki theater, and president with his overtured on rate level, and what they would be, now talking about some spending as part of the deal, that was all factored in. he has just been doing it in stages, we'll get a deal. do you think that is going to happen? >> i think it is a responsible approach. we have to get a dial. this is not a democrat issue or a republican issue, this is an american issue, we know we have to cut spending and we know there has to be some solution. at the end of the day we have on grow the economy. only way out of this thing. >> i think we'll get a deal, i'm not convinced to be done before christmas, i think before the super bowl. but -- >> just punt for 6 months. >> it might happen, i was curious with president and mitt romney having lunch, whether obama presented him a bill for lunch, and added a 40% gra % gra on it. neil: they had turkey chili. >> let me tell you. one thing we have to do, i work in my 7 industry, we ha
to go off the fiscal cliff if there is no movement by house republicans. would you be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if they did not budge on the top 2%? >> i did not understand the statement in the way that you characterized it. the way i think -- it was a prediction. if there is no agreement, then the fiscal cliff pass to be dealt with. i did not see it as if they do not do this, we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. if there is no agreement, we go over the cliff. >> the governor christie is meeting at the white house with the president. this afternoon, as he has a meeting with the speaker. [inaudible] >> christie? i thought you were talking about sandy right now. >> [inaudible] >> i do not know that. i had a meeting with governor cuomo and i met with mayor bloomberg. they showed me the documentation of the challenges they're facing in their communities. they know that i am committed to the social compact the but we have to be there for people in times of natural disaster. one of the first things i -- that happen to me was the earthquake. if you ever want to feel helpless,
, go down the fiscal cliff for tax rates, and adjust the taxes for the 98% through the rebate process. and this could be available for anyone, any president. let the bush tax rates apply as a ceiling, and then apply the rebate process to control the 98%. host: why do you propose that? what is the advantage in your view? caller: because the executive branch, the president, whoever it is, would have the ability to adjust the tax effectively for anyone who falls below the clintons' ceiling, and they could do this anytime. there would not have to go back to congress. -- they would not have to go back to congress. guest: it is true that technically the administration can do some things without even the congress's approval, but it would not be a lasting solution. let's say you could freeze the amount of withholding that you pay three paycheck at the level it was this year, for the 98%, and increase withholdings for everyone else as the law would dictate if you read over the cliff. -- went over the cliff. but the 98%, if they did not actually pass a law to extend the tax cuts for that portio
senate democrats said they won't consider proposals to saw void the so-called fiscal cliff. not until the gop agrees that tax rates will go up on the wealthiest of americans. they said it from the beginning. president obama visited a family in virginia to layout his case. the white house says it is one of thousands of middle class families facing higher taxes if congress doesn't reach some sort of deal. house speaker insists the republicans will not go along with a higher tax rate for anybody, but an incrowsing number of republicans -- an increasing number of republicans are saying they will have to give in to democrats' demands. you know i read a number of websites that said republicans have waived the white flag on some issues, but not all of them. assuring republicans they don't have to vote for a tax increase. >> and it technically may be correct, but not many are buying this new strategy from the white house since the tax cuts from the middle class and those from the top 2% are both set to expire at the end of the year. the white house says congress really only has to extend one
on the table to steer clear of the "fiscal cliff." but so far, neither republicans nor democrats appear ready to blink when it comes to tax rates for wealthy americans. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >>> stanford is apparently the place to be if you are looking to launch a startup company. the first-ever university entrepreneurialship report raking the palo alto school number one. the rankings track companies founded by students. stanford on top followed by har record is, uc-berkeley did stanford, harvard, uc-berkeley. >>> the stanford hospital and clinics has been named one of the best in the nation for the fourth year in a row. the leapfrog group measures patient safety, quality of care and efficiency. the top hospitals are chosen from more than 1200 nationwide. >>> in today's healthwatch, we have heard it's good but now a new study questions the health benefits of an ingredient that's found in red wine. resveratrol was thought to prevent diabetes, heart disease and cancer. but researchers in st. louis said it didn't help healthy middle-aged women. the ingredients may work in co
of progress. but yes, the white house would, "absolutely go over the fiscal cliff" if the republicans would not raise tax rates. now republicans are pointing back to july 2011. this statement by president obama. >> yes, said give us $1.# trillion in additional revenues that could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes. eliminating deductions. and engaging in a tax reform process that could lowered rates generally while broadening the base. >> bret: the white house is saying it's out of context but not specifically how out of context. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." kirsten powers for daily beast. syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. charles? >> look, i love when the president says we need conceptual break through. meaning the republicans have to accept a hike in rates. what he means is a political surrender. because there is no economic reason why you cannot raise the money he wants raised. by doing it through eliminating deductions, inclusions and credit. number one as we saw he, himself, said so. a y
if we fall off the cliff. he has the power to freeze paycheck withholding levels regardless of how rates change. they can staunch the bleeding from falling off the fiscal cliff if that happens. >> bret: ed, the former presidential candidate mitt romney was at the white house today. >> it's relatively brief. we had lunch with turkey chili and not business. president did have a specific job offer or anything for mitt romney. after the white house put out a statement to say they pledge to keep in touch if the opportunity arises down the road that sounded like not so much. >> bret: did biden bring by the apple pie? >> they may save that for a celebration if hay get a deal. >> all right, ed. thank you. >> major retailers are reporting weaker than expected holiday sales so far. november receipts are 1.7% over last year. that is well below the 4.5 to 5.5 predicted for holiday season. the economy grew at 2.7% in the third quarter better than the figure announced. the dow was up 37. the s&p 500 gained six. nasdaq finished ahead 20. syrian rebels struck a major blow in the heart of the government
over the fiscal cliff and also because the marginal tax rates are going to automatically increase, which means any lower tax rates president obama will ask for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have
to be moving on what they need to do to avoid a fiscal cliff and reach an agreement. republicans say no tax rate increases. democrats aren't giving in on entitlement reforms. is this just posturing? or are we in real trouble here? >> reporter: well, this is washington. the whole fiscal cliff is forcing them to do something. but you nailed it on the specifics. it is tax rates. the president has said that tax rates will go up for the wealthy. republicans won't bend on that. yesterday, john boehner said, we are at a stalemate. yes, this is posturing. yes, this is washington. we have four weeks to go. we're going to have ups and downs. >> ups and downs in the stock market, as well. david, thanks. have a great weekend. >> reporter: you, too. >>> now, to the star college basketball players accused of abusing their position as big men on campus. they're now facing burglary charges for allegedly stealing thousands of dollars of stuff from their fellow students. and abc's john muller is covering the story. john? >> reporter: good morning, dan. hofstra students say iphones, computers and even cash ha
to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthy -- remember, it's only 2%. >> so the white house is eliminating the republicans' house cards. house speaker john boehner was left pretending that the democrats had not offered them a deal. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house republican leader eric cantor also seemed to forget that the white house presented a specific plan in these negotiations. >>ç where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on. meanwhile, the people of this country are the ones that suffer. so we ask the president, sit down with us, be serious about the specifics of spending so we can stop the wasteful spending in washington and finally address the problem. >> john boehner appears to have the same form of anesthesia mitt romney was suffering from on the campaign trail. he tells supporters, if our offer is not acceptable to
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. >>> with the fiscal cliff approaching, people worry about having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minted real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector, health care, that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look, it's a real possibility if we go off the cliff. plus we have a limited supply of medical office space. this is a nice, steady business. let's take a closer look with scott peters. mr. peters, welcome to "mad money." >> thank you for having me. >> i try all the time to find companies that might be beneficiaries of the affordable health care act. i stumbled on you guys. you're the one? >> we think we are. we've been fortunate. health care systems are now running like businesses. with 30 to 40 million more insured coming up, they need the most affordable location to off those services. those are mobs, they're on campus, and
parker, thank you. i want to talk to you some more. we'll go back to the fiscal cliff. if high end tax rates are successful entrepreneurs rocket higher, you can bet the number of millionaires in this country is going south. that's if high taxes go up. millionaires go down. that's no good. in our land of opportunity, i want more millionaires. and i think the better for them and the economy. robert frank will join us with some very arresting numbers. high tax, fewer millionaires. not good. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> 28 days until the country plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff. big tax hikes could be coming for everyone but we see also a drastic redu
the rates and avoiding the fiscal cliff, where all tax cuts and brakes expire at the end of the year. that is an election, popular at the end of the year, certainly give president obama a lot of clout right now. you can disagree or agree with the policy. that is for you to decide. republican tom cole of oklahoma happens to disagree strongly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january one, and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all the taxpayers. >> in my view, we agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make more than $250,000, we should just take them out of this discuss right now. continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to fight for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us, the staunchly conservative editorial page of "the wall street journal is on board now. president obama's re-election means that taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. the question is how republicans should handle this reality. congressman cole as you heard, a number of other c
officials trading insults, playing the blame game here as the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. keep in mind time is a-wasting. in 32 days now tax rates soar, spending gets slashed. oh, and don't forget, congress, yeah, they get to take a break for the holidays in 14 days. a recipe for recession. the president is pitching a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in tax heights and $50 billion in new infrastructure spending. he'll head to a manufacturing plant in pennsylvania to push all this. republicans aren't buying in. listen to house speaker john boehner's reaction. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> didn't take very long for democrats to hit back at speaker boehner. senate majority leader harry reid got up, a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. >> i don't understand his brain. let's go to washington this morning. wow, just when we thought they were getting closer seems like they're even farther apart this morning. >> yeah, you know, the nic
going up. there's not -- >> you'll go off the fiscal cliff if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates for the -- on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off -- >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, the time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, there will not be an agreement. >> you would be willing to let that happen? >> let me explain why. if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice they're going to have to make, but they'll own the responsibility. >> but it is kind of a choice the country will have to pay for, correct? is there some pontiac for you all. you would let that happen. fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top
over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it's worthwhile to go over the cliff, it's not the case. it is, without a doubt, a cliff. it's $600 billion. the economy cannot withstand that shock. it's slowing in anticipation. lou: $600 billion in taxes? >> spending reductions and tax increases. the economy can't handle that. without a doubt, head into recession if we're over the cliff. lou: now, are you in agreement? >> i am, carl's absolutely right, nevertheless, the markets have effectively been yawning. equity markets, go higher, corporate credit market improves, commodity prices rising, and the ten-year treasury yield is dipping to new lows. i can't figure this out. everybody seems to -- lou: i know -- >> they are in a mood, and that worries me. somebody has to be wrong, and big time. >> yawning until they don't. that
are talking about the patch about the 2012 taxable year, and unlike the fiscal cliff that affects tax rates that apply next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. if there is not congressional action here, there is the abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year under -- in 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 # million people will be required to pay in 2012, and for the current taxable year, and they will pay app additional $90 billion in tax. none of them -- few of them have any idea that this is on the table. >> host: is the isr prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual, but i think correct position, taking the position that congress will do the responsible thing so they did their tax programming for next year for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end of the year. if -- i think that was the reasonable thing to do because almost -- even i believe they will do that -- however, it does mean if there's not a patch, the tax return filing season next year will be
the fiscal cliff does involve higher taxes? you have higher taxes, a slowing economy and baby inflation. what do you think, will it start to kick in click select this is a recipe for disaster >> the accumulation of excess reserves in the commercial banks that right now are just parks at the federal reserve. while the fed says it has an exit strategy, nobody knows at the fed no how high interest rates would have to go to prevent that from becoming the source of inflation later in this decade. that is what worries me. the fed has built up a kind of liquidity that will be very hard to control. they provide very high interest rates at a time where the unemployment rate is still high in the fed may back away from tightening fast enough to prevent an increase in inflation. lori: do you think interest rates will stay at low levels? the fact we have not had a market reaction stepping in to raise rates sharply, what do you think of that? >> the fed can keep the short rates low, but at some point, rates will have to go back to normal levels and if inflation picks up, they will go up very substantially.
that they're serious on negotiations. >> reporter: as the country fast approaches the fiscal cliff, the two sides are talking past each other. democrats say they've laid down their marker, hiking tax rates on wealthier americans. and it's up to republicans to propose specific spending cuts they want to entitlement programs. however, republicans say they've offered a concession, putting revenue on the table. and they say it's now up to the president and his fellow democrats to feel some pain and proposed cuts in medicare and medicaid. confusing? we asked harry reid. >> where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain. so you should ask him, okay? >> from capitol hill to the white house, democrats are standing firm, saying the major hurdle remains whether to raise tax rates. what's next? where do things go? the top republican aide tells me they look forward to talking to the white house. >> time is still running out, too. >> and quickly. >> with us now are ryan lizza, the new yorker magazine's washington correspondent and cnn's senior political analyst ron bram's team. thank you both
is sustained growth rate formula. the 2 is part of t fiscal cliff, sequestration due to the fiscal cliff. melissa: at the same te thesdoctors at end of the day end up paying higher income tax after what they're maki at work is cut. when they get home and the government comes back and takes a bigger bite. >>melissa, your viewers many already faced wi this 50,000 or abo tax that is going to occur if thi isn'solved. i want to point out physicians this is gross fire, manyy physicians have a lot of expenses hidden in that. they're not making $250,000. the cost of machinery. cost of tests. cost of keeping offices open. every smalbusinessas the problem. doctors will get in the positiono say wait a minute, i can't afford to ke care of tse patients. maybe they go t the hospital. melissa: on p all that the doctors are affected the health care act's restrictions. >> theyill not be able to offer certain technological solutions because insurance won't pay f it. i want to order thattest but insurance won't pay. i'm still liable even if i can't order it. obamacaris squeezing us already before this is
before the fiscal cliff deadline. the whitehouse open sists tax rates must rise on higher incomes in order to balance spending cuts but republican leadership remains committed to extending the bush tax cuts for all a tax bracket. brainer offer his response to the president. in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure that the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks for example about $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> rose: and here is the president talking about why it's essential for him that there be tax increases for the most wealthy among us. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the
businesses. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and hurt job creation in our country. this is not good for our country. it's as simple as that, and the president understands it. >> reporter: corporate leaders were also making the rounds. a group from the simpson/bowles backed organization "fix the debt" stopped in for talks on capitol hill. and later, c.e.o.s from yahoo, archers daniel midlands, caterpillar and other companies headed to the white house for a meeting with the president. >> i'd like to hear the president's views about where the country is headed and support him any way we can. >> reporter: treasury secretary timothy geithner will meet with congressional leaders tomorrow, so there is hope serious face- to-face negotiations will soon be under way. darren gersh, "n.b.r.," washington. >> susie: one of the c.e.o.s meeting with lawmakers today joins us. he is david cote, c.e.o. of honeywell. david, thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. did you get the sense from house speaker boehner, he is ready to make a deal? >> i would say there is a
rate in 2013 if the fiscal cliff does not go well. there is no bipartisan agreement on the way to save the day. so many other companies, wal-mart, eastern allen, weight watchers all payouts as dividends ahead of this year. back to you. melissa: but wait, there is another company to add to the dividend list. don't miss "countdown to the closing bell" with liz claman. plenty of evidence now showing that it impacts decision-making. lori: it is great to see ceos and companies rewarding shareholders and shown their grateful to that. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs. trying to slim down with more cuts on the way. >> 23 minutes past the hour, hello, this is your fox news minute. witnesses telling reuters gas bombs are being thrown at demonstrators outside the presidential palace. president mohamed morsi is back after running from hundreds of thousands of protesters swarming outside yesterday. demonstrators furious over the power grab in his rush for a new constitution. the israeli prime minister is saying the jewish state remains committed to negotiation settlement with palestinians as israel pl
the fiscal cliff would be easy. now, more and more are talking about a rerun of what happened with the tarp bailout bill. first, congress may have to deadlock and go over the cliff, and then count on a falling market and an angry public to force action. >> it's what's euphemistically bng called "let's let the peasants storm the castle with pitchforks" strategy. that is, get the average voter so upset that they pound on the... do the equivalent of pound on the door of their member of congress or the member of the senate, call their office and say, "look, i know i told you not to vote to raise taxes or not to vote to cut medicare, but you got to stop the pain." >> reporter: how bad could the pain get? after the house voted down the tarp bailout, the s&p 500 fell more than 8%. darren gersh, nbr, washington. >> tom: for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations, susie spoke with a leading democrat a short while ago, senator kent conrad of north dakota. >> susie: senator can rad thank you for joining us. let me begin our conversation by asking you, what are the chances that we will get a fiscal clif
the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's hard to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that context, you have to have a significant amount of revenues. we don't see a way of doing
bernanke and interest rates and what's going on in washington beyond the fiscal cliff. he's got lots of views. >> does he pull punches about bernanke? >> there's a couple comments i think we'll run in the 7:00 or 8:00 hour, he's diplomatic about it, but if you listen very carefully, i think you know where he stands on a lot of the stuff. he talks about the punch bowl and having to take around the punch bowl before -- >> the lead story in the journal -- >> the fed stimulus. we're back again. >> operation twist is supposed to be up january 1st. >> he's also got interesting theories on the volcker rule and banks still. so we'll be running some of that throughout the broadcast. >>> in corporate news, rio tinto plans to cut cost and sell more assets. and two audit firms are now being sued regarding the acquisition of hp. shareholder law side has named deloitte and kpm claiming they missed numerous red flags. board of directors also named. >> a magnetic lawsuit. you see the press release go out and someone has to boiler plate to say, okay, we're the accountants, we're the bankers, here we
house is rejecting a republican averting the "fiscal cliff,"... saying it would lower tax rates for the wealthy and stick the middle class with the bill. the house republican plan calls for 800-billion dollars in higher tax revenue over 10 years... but would keep the bush-era tax cuts in place for all income earners. president obama wants to end tax cuts for americans making more than 250-thousand dollars a year. the bottom line -- lawmakers made no progress today on an agreement. >> mitt romney has a job again.. he's returning to the board of directors at marriott international hotel.... he's been on the board twice before - but left to run for political office. romney has kept a low profile since the election - spending his time with his family at their california home. the romney and marriott families are close -- in fact - willard mitt romney was named after the hotel's founder -- j. willard marriott... >> heavy fighting between rebel and government forces in syria. now there is concern that syria could plan on using chemical weapons against the rebels. obama is warmin morn
cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell,
to see us go over the fiscal cliff. we have got to get serious. we do not want to increase tax rates. we want to do something about the spending problem. remember, the goodwill -- the speaker put revenue on the table just after the election. he said, we get it. the president won his reelection and we won our be election. here is our proposal to the president that we were unwilling to give during that negotiation talks last year. >> they know that you put revenue on the table. will you pull back from them and give them some spending cuts question mark -- cuts? >> this is not a game. we are not interested in playing rope a dope. we do not want to see taxes go up on anybody. we want to engage in tax reform and get the economy going. we are not playing a game. that offer yesterday was simply not serious. thank you. >> next, house minority leader nancy pelosi talks to reporters about the so-called the school cliff negotiations. she urged house republican leadership to bring legislation to the floor regarding middle- class tax cuts. this is about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. i'm here today w
in washington and the fiscal cliff looming, he says the white house will only agree to a plan that including higher tax rates. >> if they are going me -- to force higher rates on all americans because their tax rates go up on 2% of americans, that's a choice we'll have to make. >> one1.6 trillion in tax revenue, cuts to medicare. he insists the bush era tax cuts must expire. >> what we did is put forward a very comprehensive, mix of savings and tax reforms that help us put us back on a path to stabilizing our death and living within our means. >> rebel cans did not welcome -- republicans did not welcome the proposal. >> i think it's essentially a rerun of his revenue proposals. they are 1.6 trillion in revenues and tax increases. >> and they're expressing frustration with the lack of progress. >> i would say we're nowhere. he's pointing out the administration did offer six hundred billion in cuts to healthcare. he remains optimistic a deal will be made. i'm elizabeth reporting. >> the u.s. supreme court could announce tomorrow whether it will hear appeal on several cases involving same sex m
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alone for the top 2% and they -- wait a minute. (laughter) the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, at $1.2 trillion in cuts, half of those cuts were going to be to defense. this has $1.2 trillion in cuts but they're just saying why don't we make the whole thing cut to entitlements and domestic spending and not cut defense at all? basically they're trying to entice the democrats. they're saying i don't want you to fall off this cliff, so why don't you voluntarily jump off this steeper cliff. (laughter) but dent worry, your fall will be cushioned by lava. (laughter) now, obviously it's a negotiation, people take a hard-line position. with the tax rate being the lowest in america since the 1950s, most likely we'll raise the tax for the up 2er% at some point, right? >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. >> jon: okay. so what exactly is your idea of the a negotiation? >> the president's idea of a negotiation is "roll over and do what i ask." (laughter) >> jon: at least once he has you on your back he asks. (laughter) i can't wait till -- (applause) they're applauding the lack
." today president obama again made clear there will be no deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff without the rich paying a higher tax rate. got it? higher rate. in this interview on bloomberg tv, he made it. let's listen. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> there you heard it again, top rates have to go up and rates. and some republicans are saying that the gop will ultimately say uncle. conservative columnist byron york, a very smart guy wrote, quote, republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest income americans. the only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff "new york times" column us david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class tacks
tax attack. no matter what happens on the fiscal cliff. and is another bailout nation on the way? student loans up to $1 trillion, huge delinquency rates, default rates going sky high, no credit standards and sky high tuition. sound likes a real bad story to me. ceos have just wrapped up their meeting with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm not -- i'm certainly not insisting, i don't even desire higher rates. i think there lab drag if revenue goes up and rates go up. but i think there will also be a drag on the american economy if our budget deficit widens out forever, if we're irresponsible and governor doesn't work. left with those four choices
. the reason? the fiscal cliff. if we go off the cliff, tax rates and dividends could more than triple or nearly triple from 15% to 43.4%. companies are racing to beat that tax hike by paying dividends before december 31st. arison is getting a potential tax savings up to $25 million. and larry ellison is getting savings of $56 million. tom frist will get more than $350 million from the company's dividend saving potential $100 million. and bain capital will get a piece of that and king of dividends is sheldon adelson. his tax savings on the dividend alone could be more than $340 million. all shareholders benefit from dividends and many of the ceos and owners recuse themselves from the dividend votes but these companies tend to have higher insider ownership. average inside ownership for dividend payers is around 27%. the average for the market as a whole around 7%. it all shows that if you can take next year's income today, you can also beat the tax man. simon? >> i mean, the question remains the degree to which you are harming the businesses by forcing cash out of them now. there are co
to avoid the fiscal cliff over republicans. the same poll gave president obama his highest approval rating in three years, with 53% support. in the next hour and a half, president obama will continue the great reasonableness tour of 2012. visiting a middle class family in northern virginia with the aim of putting more pressure on congress to extend middle income tax cuts. majority leader harry reid did his part for the cause on the senate floor today. >> so it's apparent how this will end. the only question is, when will it end? it's how long will speaker boehner make middle class families wait for relief and how long will he force the financial markets to wait for uncertainty. >> joining the panel now, the sage of capitol hill, the seasonally elegant luke russert. >> thank you so much for having me. >> you get a special intro when you arrive on set a little late. thrilled to have you here, with ongoing deliberation on capitol hill, you are the eyes. >> eyes and ears hopefully. yet i'm here, congress is recessed this week. >> always a reason, my friend. the fact that tim geithner came out
left to make a deal before the country hits what's called the fiscal cliff. that's a combination of across the board tax increases for everyone, coupled with cuts in spending like defense, education, health care, and housing assistance. let's go live to our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and nonfor profit agency across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this to speaker
. but after the fiscal cliff happens january 1st tax rates go up on everyone so the solution would be vote are for a serious of tax cause. >> i think what's disturbing here you're hearing the same tone creep back in the conversation that we heard before. do you think it's different this time? >> it's identical. i feel like i'm going through this horrible deja vu. this is the fifth time we've been through this. the posturing is the same. the claims of bad faith are the same. then on both sides you have liberals and conservatives, newt gingrich making the case this whole cliff thing was a creation of the other side. you have a group denying this central debate is really worth having right now. none of this feels we're inching towards a deal. >> looking backwards instead of forward. >>> for waterlogged californians this is the calm between the storm. much of the state has been battered by two storms that brought torrential rains, mudslides and flash flooding and storm number three is on its way. carter evans has the latest. >> reporter: as the powerful winter storm moved ac
to go off the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. if there is no agreement that doesn't involve rates going up. >> gretchen: is that what the discussion is about? if you're watching the main stream media, it's about tax, tax, tax, tax. why are we taxing so much? because we really do have a spending problem. >> steve: or a deep hole. >> brian: i thought it was interesting. does geithner ever speak and make you feel better? all he does is -- i have a sense that it's something terrible is about to happen. having said that and this communication ability aside, i'm stunned to see him playing politics. he's flat out playing politics. he added if the president doesn't get his own way and get the power action undependentsed power to raise the debt limit and take it away from congress, that's also a nonstarter. since when is getting into that and saying if we don't raise taxes on the top 2%, we're never going to have a deal. really? doesn't he know the math? we all know the math. this is like throwing a nickel into the ocean. $85 billion on an annual deficit that's over a trillion dollars in debt. he's
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> we face no prospect of agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top two percent. >> brian: he also said he believes that the president needs to get control of the debt limit. that is a nonstarter. there is no way to get congress to give up control of debt limit. >> steve: republicans are saying let's cave and surrender on the tax issue. but coming up in 2013 we have leverage over the debt limit. remember the president of the united states his personal approval ratings went in the toilet. >> brian: as is the congress. >> steve: the congress didn't have as far to because they were close to the floor anyway. republicans say let's have leverage next time and the president said let's take that off of the table and from now on the president doesn't have to negotiate from congress. congress doesn't like that one bit. >> gretchen: usually when you are holding the cards in the negotiation you don't have to budge. that's the position the president and time geithner feel. they feel they hold the cards and they won the election and they believ
on what's happening with the fiscal cliff out of washington, the bank of england leaving its interest rate unchanged. at this point we're a few weeks away from the end of the year. money managers have an uncanny ability to drive stocks higher allowing them to claim quarterly performances that attract more money and higher fees. the practice is illegal but experts say that a sudden spike is a deliberate distortion of prices. as you'd expect window dressing is more common with thinly traded stocks and among the names of stocks appear to have been used as window companies, iridex, carver bancorps, altagen and legaga holdings. the next day the stock gives back some percentage of the gains, at least 3%. >>> the parade of companies announcing dividend changes continues because of all the uncertainty surrounding the fiscal cliff. cme group declared an annual variable dividend of $1.30 a share and accelerating the timing into the current quarter.'s sporting goods is announcing a cash dividend of $2 a share and says cfo tim coleman is retiring. >>> zynga -- i like to say that, zynga is filing prepa
in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away. >> with no solution in sight the white house budget is now ordering the pentagon and other an an jencies to finalize their plan to avoid massive spending cuts. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looking to apply additional pressure on at a conference next week. the regime insists they would not use weapons against its people. >> a natural gas tanker arrived in japan today becoming the first vessel to successfully
obama said tax rates must rise on the wealthiest americans as part of any deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this morning r the president met with a bipartisan group of governors at the white house. jerry brown was not among them. the group did not endorse any specific proposal on avoiding the sharp tax and spending cuts that could take effect in january. president obama says it's possible that the tax rates could later be lowered as part of a comprehensive tax overhaul. >>> police responding to an early-morning burglary in san jose are surprised at what they found. we'll have exclusive video of the discovery. >>> rosemary's back in about nine minutes to tell you more about the new storm rolling in and when rain will increase in your neighborhood. >>> it's a first of its kind set up in the bay area. ahead with a new solar facility dedicated an hour ago is getting a lot of attention. on your prepaid card? introducing chase liquid. the reloadable card with no fee reloads and withdrawals at chase atms. all for one flat monthly fee so there's zero confusion. get rid of prepaid problems. get cha
, the consequences, are severe? >> oh, yeah. to go over this fiscal cliff, because republicans won't raise taxes, tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans, would subject the average american to big tax increase and enormous damage from the other cuts that would happen. and there's just no reason why the country has to go through that. and we have a chance to do something much better. not just for the long-term health of the american economy, but for the immediate challenge which is getting stronger growth and more job creation. >> but you heard the president say today if there's no deal, are you going to blame the republicans for ruining christmas? >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide they're going to block a deal because they want to extend tax cuts. we can't afford for the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> the president said on election night, you voted for politics, not action as usual. you're saying what we can expect from republicans. what can we expect from the president to break that cycle? >> a willingness to sit down and expl
. it is always great to be with you. i am concerned not only about the farming cliff, but the overall fiscal cliff. we need america to come together. we need to create more jobs in america like we have done here in nebraska, as you know. we have 3.8% unemployment rate here in nebraska. i want you to know that i have talk to our farmers and ranchers. they are prepared to take their fair share of budget reductions if it will put america a better economic shape. liz: i know. i know. do you think it will happen? it does not look overall at the moment, governor. >> it does not. the president needs to lead just like the governor's lead in their states. they ought to stay together as long as it takes to develop a framework for a real positive solution to move forward regarding the fiscal challenges we face. the two of them need to sit down, get it worked out and put america first. liz: you governors and what we have learned from delaware and rhode island and pennsylvania and utah, all of you have been so kind to come on the show, is that you cannot wait to have this very delicate ballet dance that
of the thorniest elements of the so-called fiscal cliff. host: that's the lead story this morning in the "wall street journal." marisa is a democrat in montana. marisa, good morning to you. the g.o.p. says address the spending problem. what do you think? caller: oh, thank you so much for taking my call. i'm so grateful and so grateful for c-span. let's never forget the dark days of the bush administration when dan rather got fired and no one would talk about anything. this open dialogue, which does lead to solution of problems. i'm so grateful, thank you c-span. i would like to say that i can remember at the very beginning of the bush administration when those democratic congressmen got up and said if we do this we're going to have these dire financial problems. sure enough we did. and then it's the bush's administration lack of leadership that has brought us into all these gigantic problems like the b.p. oil spill, due to lack of oversight. so thank you so much, we can solve our problems, there is such a thing as a possiblist, possibility, it's possible to solve this problem, we can do anythi
. the whole fiscal cliff is forcing them to do something. the president has said that tax rates will go up for the wealthy. republicans won't bend on that yesterday, john boehner said, we are at a stalemate. this is posturing. this is washington. we're going to have ups and downs. >> ups and downs in the stock market, as well. david, thanks. have a great weekend. >> you, too. >>> now, to the star college basketball players accused of abusing their position as big men on campus. they're facing burglary charges for allegedly stealing thousands of dollars of stuff from their fellow students. and abc's john muller is covering the story. john? >> reporter: good morning, dan. hofstra students say iphones, computers and cash has been disappearing from their dormrooms all semester. one used an app to find their iphone. now, four players from the division i basketball team are under arrest. faces, covered in shame. hiding tears as they leave a long island courthouse. another man, pushing and even taking swings at a cameraman as he storms out of court. they are the stunned loved ones of four hofstra
the fiscal cliff than not to have a rise in tax rates, and he said, quooe, "no deal is better than a bad deal," and a bad deal for him is not letting tax rates go up. what do you think of that? he's one of your own. >> well, unfortunately, we've got too much partisanship in washington, d.c.. the american people want the leaders, both the president and the congress to come together, make the tough decisions. it's going to take both. it's going to take the revenue, but it's also going to take fundamental reform of spending. you cannot spend a billion dollars more than you take in every year or there's fiscal ruin, and with the amount of baby boomers retiring over the next several years, they are going to have to deal with things like medicare, medicaid, and social security if we're going to resolve this thing for the long term, and, frankly, iowa farmers and small businesses will be hit with huge increases in capital gains and death taxes, a real damaging blow to our state, which is doing well. liz: let's talk about the double whammy you face, and you're only one of six states where it's an int
tax rates on the rich to avo avoid the fiscal cliff. erin burnett's been looking into that. she's going in depth on that tonight. what have you found out? >> it seems more and more likely that we're going to end up in a situation where we get a pretty awful deal if we get a deal. there's not going to be a grand bargain, which is a big failure, but are there going to be republicans who are willing to make serious corp. mizs. tom mcclint ok's going to be our guest. we're going put the hard questions to him tonight, plus, wolf, you remember amy copeland, the young woman who went on the bungee jump and got the stitches and had to go back because of the flesh eating bacteria? >> what happened? >> well, she survived and she is our special guest tonight. she was honored with a woman of the year award and her story is pretty incredible. she talks about what she still struggles to do, whether there are still moments in the middle of the night where she feels life isn't fair. >> i'll look forward to that, to the whole show at the top of the hour. thanks very much. >> still ahead, robbing
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